They’re townie, they’re overly confident and aren’t afraid to say pushes are faked. They’re probably one of the more difficult players to read but can be town for now
They’re townie, they’re overly confident and aren’t afraid to say pushes are faked. They’re probably one of the more difficult players to read but can be town for now
I disregard any meta arguments because I am not fact checking it, I’m using my own experiences and reads. Make actual counter arguments or don’t respond
Saying a percentage would be me just throwing out a random number, but I don’t think he’s ever had a game where I didn’t read him reliably. I just didn’t really care to push in that server but I do care here
santa paint
(This is what it stands for, not a comment on you Todi)
Actually I have no idea how accurate he is at reading me bc he rarely lived long enough to capitalize on his reads also I don’t know how many times we’ve been opposite alignments.
Vorros
Actually I have no idea how accurate he is at reading me bc he rarely lived long enough to capitalize on his reads also I don’t know how many times we’ve been opposite alignments.
Doesn’t have to be anything concrete but you are required to play just like the rest of us so if u don’t like how it currently is that’s on you to start moving the game forward Bump
Todi37
@Toof (Sam) what punishment do u want to receive if atoms is not mafia?
Doesn’t have to be anything concrete but you are required to play just like the rest of us so if u don’t like how it currently is that’s on you to start moving the game forward Bump
Them hiding behind my reads and their unnatural continued joke of wolf this and scum that makes me think they’re trying to talk about it to make it seem like they’re not scared of being called wolf
Them hiding behind my reads and their unnatural continued joke of wolf this and scum that makes me think they’re trying to talk about it to make it seem like they’re not scared of being called wolf
i always have bias towards smart/good players, because i know what they are capable of. bump is just complaining and gets mad when i say he is scum which is not town behavior to me
10:00 p.m.
he is not here to fully read the chat and then gets mad when i scum read him?
Todi37
i always have bias towards smart/good players, because i know what they are capable of. bump is just complaining and gets mad when i say he is scum which is not town behavior to me
that’s why we’re arguing, you won’t listen to me when i tell you
“bump will be easier to read if he has space instead of being in a corner”
and you say “no robyn i will push him!”
and i say, i’m going to chainsaw you
Shared thought on Mel's comment about Todi following his thought on me, a bit too quickly
John Wayne
that’s why we’re arguing, you won’t listen to me when i tell you
“bump will be easier to read if he has space instead of being in a corner”
and you say “no robyn i will push him!”
and i say, i’m going to chainsaw you
Robyn feels logical, makes sense and so far plays for the sake of a good read so, by all accounts, townie, but they're dangerous as scum so I stay neutral on them
Todi37
im not giving in because i dont share ur thoughts and pushing me wont make me town read you
Mel has taken a position that allowed slight control earlier, nothing he said sounded scum and him pointing todi's comment out makes me go more TL on him, was easy to let aside the "trollish" nature to ask for contribution from me
Todi37
im not giving in no matter what u do, why should he be readable when he is not pushed?
Depends on the person but it's definitely NAI for most people until proven otherwise, people can feel like people are "stupid" for not thinking they're town because they think they're super obviously Town as they have more information than most on themselves.
intriguing digging of a single contradictory log, (one that todi called you town) looking good with time
Mel
Depends on the person but it's definitely NAI for most people until proven otherwise, people can feel like people are "stupid" for not thinking they're town because they think they're super obviously Town as they have more information than most on themselves.
Vorros is a bit hit or miss at the moment, he needs to post more or he's probably wolf. With a high power game, scum depending on their skill will probably start falling further and further behind
When i wake up there better be so much more content specifically about me
Mel
Vorros is a bit hit or miss at the moment, he needs to post more or he's probably wolf. With a high power game, scum depending on their skill will probably start falling further and further behind
I agree with you on Bump, they wouldn't be doing this publicly. IIOA is a thing sure but this doesn't feel like that, unless it remains like this then I guess you can argue that. You're clearly Town, you're very clearly playing to solve and not push as I said earlier as opposed to what Todi is doing. Edj is also probably town based on tone alone, they're carefree and seem to be playing without a particular agenda that I can gauge this early on, definitely not worth pushing. Vorros and Atoms I don't have enough to get a read on, so those two + greenparrot contain a wolf and I believe Todi is the other.
10:30 p.m.
Sam is Town, I thought I said that alongside you but it isn't as strong as the read on you
Does anyone know anything about Vorros' pmeta? Do they usually say nothing of value for the first bit of games?
Mel
I agree with you on Bump, they wouldn't be doing this publicly. IIOA is a thing sure but this doesn't feel like that, unless it remains like this then I guess you can argue that. You're clearly Town, you're very clearly playing to solve and not push as I said earlier as opposed to what Todi is doing. Edj is also probably town based on tone alone, they're carefree and seem to be playing without a particular agenda that I can gauge this early on, definitely not worth pushing. Vorros and Atoms I don't have enough to get a read on, so those two + greenparrot contain a wolf and I believe Todi is the other.
robyn doesnt seem to be townie to me by trying to defend everyone and thus gaining more townies on his side, apart from that he has no one he suspects to being mafia
⏰⏰⏰⏰⏰⏰ (green parrot)
do you think where im coming from with seriousness if its valid enough for you (edited)
robyn doesnt seem to be townie to me by trying to defend everyone and thus gaining more townies on his side, apart from that he has no one he suspects to being mafia
he is def engaging in arguments which could lead people believing he is scum
Todi37
robyn doesnt seem to be townie to me by trying to defend everyone and thus gaining more townies on his side, apart from that he has no one he suspects to being mafia
cuz im the most aggressive here and standing in the spotlight, so if anything im a target for a lot of people and u taking the other sides where most people side seems more easy than trying to take my side
Seany148
Mafia should always remain a game and if it actually pisses you off it's probably bad
if u have anything valuable to share go ahead but if not dont talk to me
Todi37
cuz im the most aggressive here and standing in the spotlight, so if anything im a target for a lot of people and u taking the other sides where most people side seems more easy than trying to take my side
my message u responded to and idt my push is ingenuine, i mean sure u can think my reads are wrong which u actually do, but imo my push wasnt ingenuine
my message u responded to and idt my push is ingenuine, i mean sure u can think my reads are wrong which u actually do, but imo my push wasnt ingenuine
I agree with you on Bump, they wouldn't be doing this publicly. IIOA is a thing sure but this doesn't feel like that, unless it remains like this then I guess you can argue that. You're clearly Town, you're very clearly playing to solve and not push as I said earlier as opposed to what Todi is doing. Edj is also probably town based on tone alone, they're carefree and seem to be playing without a particular agenda that I can gauge this early on, definitely not worth pushing. Vorros and Atoms I don't have enough to get a read on, so those two + greenparrot contain a wolf and I believe Todi is the other.
Robyn is overly confident doesnt indicate town, when he isnt Scumreading anyone but only townreading people. Weak justification imo. Mentioned that Robyn is hard to read which seems townie to me. >> qual-6-chat
It was early game, do you expect the justification for anything to be super strong?
12:02 a.m.
All of these seem like genuine pushes, but no strong pushes on anyone to say he is either town or maf.
Do you consider pushing to be the same as tunnelling?
12:04 a.m.
Trying to be on Robyn's side early on, i see no reason to trust robyn yet but Mel is Tr'ing him that fast. Cementing my point further by saying "Sam's TR isnt as hard as Robyn's TR">> qual-6-chat
You're allowed to have differing reads than I do, but I am allowed to and always will be allowed to state who I am town-reading. I've been very clear about why I am having the reads I do, it isn't like I'm throwing it out there with no reasoning. If you disagree with the read and want to be on the same page as me, tell me why you think any particular argument I make is wrong or you disagree with and if I agree with you I can change otherwise I won't. That's what this game is, that's what mafia is
12:05 a.m.
I am pushing scum
12:05 a.m.
I think you are wolf, I am pushing you
12:05 a.m.
I thought Bump was wolf, I turned from that. It's not me just doing nothing but TRing people
Trying to be on Robyn's side early on, i see no reason to trust robyn yet but Mel is Tr'ing him that fast. Cementing my point further by saying "Sam's TR isnt as hard as Robyn's TR">> qual-6-chat
You're allowed to have differing reads than I do, but I am allowed to and always will be allowed to state who I am town-reading. I've been very clear about why I am having the reads I do, it isn't like I'm throwing it out there with no reasoning. If you disagree with the read and want to be on the same page as me, tell me why you think any particular argument I make is wrong or you disagree with and if I agree with you I can change otherwise I won't. That's what this game is, that's what mafia is
Robyn is overly confident doesnt indicate town, when he isnt Scumreading anyone but only townreading people. Weak justification imo. Mentioned that Robyn is hard to read which seems townie to me. >> qual-6-chat
It was early game, do you expect the justification for anything to be super strong?
if u mean my pushes? i usually tunnel people to get a more real-time reaction from them, but usually pushing is not tunnelling in the grand scheme of things
I believe they're showing they are trying to solve rather than push. The difference there is that scum would want to push what is scummy, which is also what Town can do depending on skill level but solving is a completely different mindset to have that is very very rarely coming from a wolf. That's because wolves do not care to solve the game, they only wish to push people that are scummy.
Robyn surrounding Bump shows that they're trying to solve the game in the long term rather than push in the short term. They're wanting Bump to be in a situation where they can be read more reliably rather than pushing them directly now when they're "easy" to push but not necessarily solve.
12:14 a.m.
Which I believe is townie
12:14 a.m.
So I am town-reading them, not just from that but that's what you're referring to as being weak reasoning
12:14 a.m.
It's a read into their perspective and intent rather than their actual content
Mel
I believe they're showing they are trying to solve rather than push. The difference there is that scum would want to push what is scummy, which is also what Town can do depending on skill level but solving is a completely different mindset to have that is very very rarely coming from a wolf. That's because wolves do not care to solve the game, they only wish to push people that are scummy.
Robyn surrounding Bump shows that they're trying to solve the game in the long term rather than push in the short term. They're wanting Bump to be in a situation where they can be read more reliably rather than pushing them directly now when they're "easy" to push but not necessarily solve.
And you're allowed to disagree on that but that doesn't take from the fact that Robyn is actively trying to sort Bump and not just push them or throw them in a bucket
Todi37
if u mean my pushes? i usually tunnel people to get a more real-time reaction from them, but usually pushing is not tunnelling in the grand scheme of things
All I am saying is that we're reading the intent behind Robyn differently from one another, and I'm trying to convince you and you should try and convince me
+ the fact that i dont agree on your reasoning which makes me think ur reasoning is weak and i know what u are capable of, but the distinction between u and bump is that u are still neutral
They might be scum! I might be scum! Mel might be scum!
Mel
All I am saying is that we're reading the intent behind Robyn differently from one another, and I'm trying to convince you and you should try and convince me
Alright, so what part of the whole "dont put them in a box they'll do better" is helping get Bump on their side rather than a "Oh they're just town it's obvious"
Game has just started and we've only really started discussing it now, so of course. But I am now
Mel
Alright, so what part of the whole "dont put them in a box they'll do better" is helping get Bump on their side rather than a "Oh they're just town it's obvious"
I can say I am confident Robyn/Sam is Town but still know their alignment will show throughout the game. They are skilled players, but that isn't be contradicting myself. Why would it be different here? Not everybody's reads are static, in fact this makes it townier as scum push agendas and TOwn want to again, solve the game. Locking anybody as anything isn't solving, it's throwing people in buckets.
I can say I am confident Robyn/Sam is Town but still know their alignment will show throughout the game. They are skilled players, but that isn't be contradicting myself. Why would it be different here? Not everybody's reads are static, in fact this makes it townier as scum push agendas and TOwn want to again, solve the game. Locking anybody as anything isn't solving, it's throwing people in buckets.
Route 1: Mafia dies D13 Town and 1 Mafia left:75% Chance for Town to die on D2
>> 2 Town and Mafia 1 left: 66% for Town to die on D3 >>> Mafia wins
33% for Mafia to die on D3 >>> Town Wins25% Chance for Mafia to die on D2
>> Town wins
or
Route 2: Town dies D13 Town and 2 Mafia remaining but Town knows one player isn´t Mafia so basically 2v250% Chance for town to die on D2
>> Mafia wins50% Chance for Mafia to die on D2
>> 2 Town and 1 Mafia left: 66% for Town to die on D3 >>> Mafia win
33% for Mafia to die on D3 >>> Town winRoute 1:
Town has ≈49.95% to win
Mafia has ≈49.95% to win
Roughly 50/50
Route 2:
Town has ≈16.5% to win
Mafia has ≈83.3% to win
Mafia has a higher chance to win in this case
You both as in? Me and Robyn? Or robyn and someone else?
1:27 a.m.
I'm going to assume me
1:28 a.m.
In which, I am very much trying to convince you and I plan to but if you're unable to understand my arguments towards Robyn I doubt you're going to do the same with Bump, so I'm doing one at a time. I'm more confident in robyn than I am bump
In which, I am very much trying to convince you and I plan to but if you're unable to understand my arguments towards Robyn I doubt you're going to do the same with Bump, so I'm doing one at a time. I'm more confident in robyn than I am bump
I am not saying Bump is bad at the game, but I don't think he is at the level to do this knowing it would have this outcome. You have to take into consideration who he is as a player when countering arguments or you're always gonna end up thinking everything is NAI because "oh this is possible for scum to do"
1:53 a.m.
countering or making arguments*
Mel
I am not saying Bump is bad at the game, but I don't think he is at the level to do this knowing it would have this outcome. You have to take into consideration who he is as a player when countering arguments or you're always gonna end up thinking everything is NAI because "oh this is possible for scum to do"
Ye it's non alignment indicative, shocked you used that term without knowing what NAI is
Mel
I am not saying Bump is bad at the game, but I don't think he is at the level to do this knowing it would have this outcome. You have to take into consideration who he is as a player when countering arguments or you're always gonna end up thinking everything is NAI because "oh this is possible for scum to do"
I see, maybe that's where our differences really lie
3:48 a.m.
Robyn and I have our read based on an assumption/read into how they play (again Bump, not calling you bad <3) where you're assuming all players play the same/equally which is safer sure but less useful and reliable.
3:49 a.m.
Maybe this is why you can't understand why we have the read we have
Yknow you've been talking a lot about irl stuff this game, which I know people tend to do when they want to seem active but want a reason for not fully paying attention to the game
Yknow you've been talking a lot about irl stuff this game, which I know people tend to do when they want to seem active but want a reason for not fully paying attention to the game
Agressiveness, sticking to one view rather than being open to solving, becoming unserious and destroying solving talk, attacking robyn for "trying to solve" (robyn not actually doing that in their opinion)
8:42 a.m.
I made some comments in my conf but those will be for later, I wanna see if the behavorial pattern continues throughout the game
bump was saying before he couldn't think bc of the todi distraction. and todi tried to discredit that by saying he can't think while bump is playing fortnite
Robyn and I have our read based on an assumption/read into how they play (again Bump, not calling you bad <3) where you're assuming all players play the same/equally which is safer sure but less useful and reliable.
anyways mel i wanted to get back to my "scummy but probably town" thing because that mentality seems so rampant here its just challenging my preconception that its a town thing and now i feel like its something that I have to actually try to read into which just sounds like pain and a coinflip to me.
9:15 a.m.
which is why i appreciate people sharing reads with reasons like @Seany148 said he'd share with me and todi
sam says they are stuck on me and adam today, and i haven't seen adam at all yet, but i do know they have been stuck on me despite there being nothing from me to read
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Idk the mini reads just seem a bit iffy to me. Within a few hours of the game he had reads on everyone, and even those reads just seemed like he was appealing to everyone, like its hard to argue with any of them. Just going with the flow, yknow? Plus the only way he really contributed yesterday was talking about the setup (which btw I see as kinda pointless but that doesn't mean anything here). And this is ignoring all of the stuff Todi said about him.
Even today I guess I got him to explain a little bit which was nice, but I don't think he's actually pushed anyone? Like right now he's voting his TL instead of either of his SRs and it's like he's forgotten about voting just because he's trying to maintain some sort of activity which comes off as more fillery than anything. Not to mention he jumped at the opportunity to claim Citizen when Sam "claimed" it and it just... doesn't seem necessary. There's somewhat of a difference between being passive and coasting, since I don't necessarily think he's being passive but I do think he's coasting
Idk the mini reads just seem a bit iffy to me. Within a few hours of the game he had reads on everyone, and even those reads just seemed like he was appealing to everyone, like its hard to argue with any of them. Just going with the flow, yknow? Plus the only way he really contributed yesterday was talking about the setup (which btw I see as kinda pointless but that doesn't mean anything here). And this is ignoring all of the stuff Todi said about him.
Even today I guess I got him to explain a little bit which was nice, but I don't think he's actually pushed anyone? Like right now he's voting his TL instead of either of his SRs and it's like he's forgotten about voting just because he's trying to maintain some sort of activity which comes off as more fillery than anything. Not to mention he jumped at the opportunity to claim Citizen when Sam "claimed" it and it just... doesn't seem necessary. There's somewhat of a difference between being passive and coasting, since I don't necessarily think he's being passive but I do think he's coasting
I voted him bc I found bump's set up talk fishy. The way he brought it up was fine but he seemed to trying to draw attention to the setup talk which is >rand!scum. In particular when he was asking about when masons should claim. It felt like he was trying to bait out opinions which would help scum deduce who to NK/role check. Then after he said he would let them decide privately (which is the correct method), he continued to talk about it and try to get more info.
Then Ed mentioned that he sr'd bump and I wanted to see what he had. I also didn't like Bumps reaction to that as it seemed a little defensive and was written in a way that I know I've done as scum before where you try to discredit an argument by gaslighting others into thinking that their scumread is based on one post or otherwise not well grounded enough.
Then Ed said a similar ish thing to what i was thinking about the setup stuff as well as adding that Bump seems to be coasting. I unvoted bc I want to double check that coasting claim but from what i've seen it didn't seem far fetched.
I voted him bc I found bump's set up talk fishy. The way he brought it up was fine but he seemed to trying to draw attention to the setup talk which is >rand!scum. In particular when he was asking about when masons should claim. It felt like he was trying to bait out opinions which would help scum deduce who to NK/role check. Then after he said he would let them decide privately (which is the correct method), he continued to talk about it and try to get more info.
Then Ed mentioned that he sr'd bump and I wanted to see what he had. I also didn't like Bumps reaction to that as it seemed a little defensive and was written in a way that I know I've done as scum before where you try to discredit an argument by gaslighting others into thinking that their scumread is based on one post or otherwise not well grounded enough.
Then Ed said a similar ish thing to what i was thinking about the setup stuff as well as adding that Bump seems to be coasting. I unvoted bc I want to double check that coasting claim but from what i've seen it didn't seem far fetched.
>I never said "I would let them decide" I agreed with Mel saying that but my calcs didn't make sense and typing them in my conf or in maf chat is BORING
>I never said "I would let them decide" I agreed with Mel saying that but my calcs didn't make sense and typing them in my conf or in maf chat is BORING
the calculations itself were fine but to the exclusivity of interacting with what else was going on (i know GP was going on about something) and trying to bring attention back to the mason play was slightly off putting to me. At first it wasn't enough for me to vote you it was just cause for a side eye. It was Ed also happening to see something in you that really made me swing on you.
the calculations itself were fine but to the exclusivity of interacting with what else was going on (i know GP was going on about something) and trying to bring attention back to the mason play was slightly off putting to me. At first it wasn't enough for me to vote you it was just cause for a side eye. It was Ed also happening to see something in you that really made me swing on you.
excuse me? I mean i guess it looks that way to you but we arrived at the same conclusion about the setup stuff. It was specifically why i asked if anyone had done any bc i 1) wanted to see if there was a general conclusion about how we are treating it, and 2) if anyone had been rolefishing.
Seany148
The fact Sam is now pocketing me / has said it a lot
excuse me? I mean i guess it looks that way to you but we arrived at the same conclusion about the setup stuff. It was specifically why i asked if anyone had done any bc i 1) wanted to see if there was a general conclusion about how we are treating it, and 2) if anyone had been rolefishing.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm just saying I'm keeping it in mind
Vorros
I voted him bc I found bump's set up talk fishy. The way he brought it up was fine but he seemed to trying to draw attention to the setup talk which is >rand!scum. In particular when he was asking about when masons should claim. It felt like he was trying to bait out opinions which would help scum deduce who to NK/role check. Then after he said he would let them decide privately (which is the correct method), he continued to talk about it and try to get more info.
Then Ed mentioned that he sr'd bump and I wanted to see what he had. I also didn't like Bumps reaction to that as it seemed a little defensive and was written in a way that I know I've done as scum before where you try to discredit an argument by gaslighting others into thinking that their scumread is based on one post or otherwise not well grounded enough.
Then Ed said a similar ish thing to what i was thinking about the setup stuff as well as adding that Bump seems to be coasting. I unvoted bc I want to double check that coasting claim but from what i've seen it didn't seem far fetched.
@John Wayne context I thought Todi was starting to be townie but they are seemingly focused on one singular agenda and is not budging on it therefore they’re likely wolf
Mel
@John Wayne context I thought Todi was starting to be townie but they are seemingly focused on one singular agenda and is not budging on it therefore they’re likely wolf
I mean in a workd where Sam, Robyn and I are all Town, Todi tunnelling to keep their head above water is perfectly a valid and not an unlikely play for them
Robyn and I have our read based on an assumption/read into how they play (again Bump, not calling you bad <3) where you're assuming all players play the same/equally which is safer sure but less useful and reliable.
(ive been told copy pasting this is illegal but to paraphrase, it said smth along the lines of 'can i replace out, exams are coming up and i dont have time for multiple games')
11:42 a.m.
my class ended earlier than i thought so im here to backread in a few minutes once i get settled in
Vorros
A real toxic cheater from my home server. I think he’s the only person who’s permabanned from there.
Maybe we just play differently and I'm not used to people claiming like that in a game with these types of prs. I would say the same thing in an FTC game
Todi37
You are moving towards being scum @Edjeanerations~
I figured when Vorros actually began doing shit they started to look a bit townier but I also said earlier that I wouldn't ignore the possibility of them just piggybacking my bump reads
I feel like once I go through some ISOs you’ll change your mind but I find it kind of funny and unfair bc I haven’t really pushed anyone and I feel like I articulated my vote on Bump pretty well
I feel like once I go through some ISOs you’ll change your mind but I find it kind of funny and unfair bc I haven’t really pushed anyone and I feel like I articulated my vote on Bump pretty well
no because the number of electrons orbiting the nucleus would remain the same. although fucking up the orbit of the electron by forcing it to go through a wormhole could potentially destroy it.
Sure but what's the point of the list outside of ✨ aesthetics ✨
9:22 p.m.
Robyn, Sam, Edj, Bump, Juni, Green, Vorros, Todi
Juni I haven't placed properly yet. Green/Vorros are interchangable, I don't actually remember too much from Green so I'm probably ISO diving them later
That's all I'm gathering from the logic you're using, I'm one that's able to seperate the difference easily but I'm just gathering from you the biggest thing that you're reading from me is a personality clash at best
@Todi37 I'm not tired and grumpy as I was last night so if you wanted to try and get on the same page today I'm down to try that, if you are Town I'd rather not get you out if I don't have to. If there's a wolf in the higher placements in the Town and you're Town I am wasting my time trying to sort and push you with this much focus, that's my main issue is that I focus on one or two people too much
i’m here, i’m queer, and i’m drinking beer from a sphere
Mel
That's all I'm gathering from the logic you're using, I'm one that's able to seperate the difference easily but I'm just gathering from you the biggest thing that you're reading from me is a personality clash at best
@Todi37 I'm not tired and grumpy as I was last night so if you wanted to try and get on the same page today I'm down to try that, if you are Town I'd rather not get you out if I don't have to. If there's a wolf in the higher placements in the Town and you're Town I am wasting my time trying to sort and push you with this much focus, that's my main issue is that I focus on one or two people too much
Im Fine with you pushing for me, but you are exactly the one doing things u said I was doing. You were mad that I was pushing u yesterday so don’t come with that line
Im Fine with you pushing for me, but you are exactly the one doing things u said I was doing. You were mad that I was pushing u yesterday so don’t come with that line
Scum want to be able to push people, having a large scum-read pool is giving you the ability to push people therefore doing so can be seen as pro-scum. It's not even remotely a town-tell
10:04 a.m.
I am not saying it's scummy, I'm saying it isn't townie
Mel
Scum want to be able to push people, having a large scum-read pool is giving you the ability to push people therefore doing so can be seen as pro-scum. It's not even remotely a town-tell
I am sick of dealing with people that think they're so townie because of their own hyperaware nature and just try and throw that down peoples throats imagining a universe where that shit actually works
10:06 a.m.
I do want to, which is why I put my pride to the side to try and level with you which you refused
10:07 a.m.
And by refused I mean you directly lied to me
Mel
I am sick of dealing with people that think they're so townie because of their own hyperaware nature and just try and throw that down peoples throats imagining a universe where that shit actually works
This is all again assuming you're Town, but you're making claims based on your own biases about yourself (as you are hyperaware of your own plays) and expecting people to reciprocate that, when that isn't how it works at all. You aren't explaining why, not really you are making claims that you are Townie, with nothing to back that up. You aren't countering arguments, you're deflecting them. You aren't making true arguments, and the ones which you do make you don't respond past the minimum level of push back. You default to aggression and tunnel-vision wherever applicable. You say things in the moment then refuse to acknowledge that is what you said or did. You're doing all these things and then claiming that just because you have four scum-reads that you're Townie. Which isn't a townie thing, it's NAI at best and scummy at worst. I don't scum-read you for having SRs, I am just countering that it's townie because it's not. You have a warped view of yourself, everybody does. You need to understand that, and if you can't then I'm going to have to sort you via a lynch because you sure as hell are not in a state where you can do so through discussion.
10:18 a.m.
Adding onto that, you seem currently unable to understand and discuss reads that differ from your own point of view. I can understand completely if you disagree with any particular read, that is natural and most of the time you will be disagreeing and that's a good thing. But discussing external points of view isn't shutting it down to just talk about your own, it's making arguments as to why you think it's wrong, and also being able to again discuss in more detail when you get any level of pushback on your reasoning because it will happen. Shutting down conversation just leads to people becoming apathetic towards your opinion, which obviously lessens what people think about it more and more. If you want people to listen to your thoughts even if it goes against theirs, do the same in reverse. You aren't doing that. Every single time I've tried discussing with you about our opposing reads you end up getting aggressive and shade/discredit me which makes me hate wanting to speak with you and just makes me want to throw you out of the game faster even if you are Town because every single other player has shown that they're open to a discussion even if it conflicts with their own reads, it's just you and that's why I've had the biggest clash with you. A lot of what's happening between us is just a personality clash, I've said this repeatedly. Nothing of what I talk about you (to you) is about why I scum-read you, except that last message. If you want to actually start talking properly about this game and not just bash our heads together based on a personality clash, let me know. Otherwise I am probably going to start ignoring you completely and that is not good for the game, especially if you are Town
Mel
This is all again assuming you're Town, but you're making claims based on your own biases about yourself (as you are hyperaware of your own plays) and expecting people to reciprocate that, when that isn't how it works at all. You aren't explaining why, not really you are making claims that you are Townie, with nothing to back that up. You aren't countering arguments, you're deflecting them. You aren't making true arguments, and the ones which you do make you don't respond past the minimum level of push back. You default to aggression and tunnel-vision wherever applicable. You say things in the moment then refuse to acknowledge that is what you said or did. You're doing all these things and then claiming that just because you have four scum-reads that you're Townie. Which isn't a townie thing, it's NAI at best and scummy at worst. I don't scum-read you for having SRs, I am just countering that it's townie because it's not. You have a warped view of yourself, everybody does. You need to understand that, and if you can't then I'm going to have to sort you via a lynch because you sure as hell are not in a state where you can do so through discussion.
I’m not expecting people to reciprocate anything, please look in the votes channel and say that again, I don’t have any other arguments to “prove” to you I’m town, if u don’t wanna believe it, I can’t tell you anything else, I did respond to your points that u made about me, when I did an ISO about you. And you haven’t desponded to them so I assumed u were done with them. I’m fine with being lynched as u can see I’m self voting, cause this is just funny to me. I def have other people town reading me and I’m fine with u and the rest not doing so, cause to put it simply I have no other defense, if u wanna vote a townie our sure go ahead.
You're doing things for your own image and then showing people "oh look what I did" which is like, not doing what you think it's doing. It's showing you're doing things for your own image, which is scummy at worst and NAI at best (basing it on whether or not you do this as Town, which I am assuming you do).
10:21 a.m.
I said the same thing twice but that's cuz it's important
Todi37
I’m not expecting people to reciprocate anything, please look in the votes channel and say that again, I don’t have any other arguments to “prove” to you I’m town, if u don’t wanna believe it, I can’t tell you anything else, I did respond to your points that u made about me, when I did an ISO about you. And you haven’t desponded to them so I assumed u were done with them. I’m fine with being lynched as u can see I’m self voting, cause this is just funny to me. I def have other people town reading me and I’m fine with u and the rest not doing so, cause to put it simply I have no other defense, if u wanna vote a townie our sure go ahead.
I don't care if you're fine with being lynched, I'm trying to solve you silly
Mel
Adding onto that, you seem currently unable to understand and discuss reads that differ from your own point of view. I can understand completely if you disagree with any particular read, that is natural and most of the time you will be disagreeing and that's a good thing. But discussing external points of view isn't shutting it down to just talk about your own, it's making arguments as to why you think it's wrong, and also being able to again discuss in more detail when you get any level of pushback on your reasoning because it will happen. Shutting down conversation just leads to people becoming apathetic towards your opinion, which obviously lessens what people think about it more and more. If you want people to listen to your thoughts even if it goes against theirs, do the same in reverse. You aren't doing that. Every single time I've tried discussing with you about our opposing reads you end up getting aggressive and shade/discredit me which makes me hate wanting to speak with you and just makes me want to throw you out of the game faster even if you are Town because every single other player has shown that they're open to a discussion even if it conflicts with their own reads, it's just you and that's why I've had the biggest clash with you. A lot of what's happening between us is just a personality clash, I've said this repeatedly. Nothing of what I talk about you (to you) is about why I scum-read you, except that last message. If you want to actually start talking properly about this game and not just bash our heads together based on a personality clash, let me know. Otherwise I am probably going to start ignoring you completely and that is not good for the game, especially if you are Town
I really discussed way too long with you, Robyn and bump. To put it simply im def drained by now, discussing with you and how u responded to me yesterday wasn’t something I would expect from you. You are talking about discrediting when I told u multiple times now that I haven’t read u telling town that u went away. I’m trying to stay calm here but the way you started this conversations just makes me not wanna care what u say, which is not something I want in a discussion especially in a social deduction game
I said the points u made about me, when I did an ISO on you. I responded to them in my memory
Mel
You're doing things for your own image and then showing people "oh look what I did" which is like, not doing what you think it's doing. It's showing you're doing things for your own image, which is scummy at worst and NAI at best (basing it on whether or not you do this as Town, which I am assuming you do).
I’m just using things I did as an argument but I’m not trying to say this just automatically makes me townie, as you already said people differ in opinions
Todi37
I really discussed way too long with you, Robyn and bump. To put it simply im def drained by now, discussing with you and how u responded to me yesterday wasn’t something I would expect from you. You are talking about discrediting when I told u multiple times now that I haven’t read u telling town that u went away. I’m trying to stay calm here but the way you started this conversations just makes me not wanna care what u say, which is not something I want in a discussion especially in a social deduction game
I am also starting to be drained with all this back and forth. What did I respond that you did not expect? Why did you not expect it? What did you expect?
You are talking about discrediting when I told u multiple times now that I haven’t read u telling town that u went away.
You've said this many times. You said that to push that I am wolf and I am leaving because I want to avoid talking to you. Which is shading me. You weren't making a point "Oh are they wolf that's not able to respond?" you frame it in a way that this IS what is happening which generally I do not care about how those types of things actually affect the game, it's just insulting to me and makes me want to talk with you less and less. Which as we scum-read each other, that gap is just going to get stronger and stronger which again is not good if we're both Town.
10:29 a.m.
That's not even referencing the part where you then lie about what you actually said and why.
10:29 a.m.
You said that to poke at me, that's not up to debate. It's what you did and my screen-shot is proof enough, you framing it as "Oh I was just asking" is just manipulative
10:29 a.m.
ANd wrong
10:29 a.m.
I have a brain, I can see this very clearly
10:30 a.m.
Now whether or not that's scummy for you is another question
Mel
I am also starting to be drained with all this back and forth. What did I respond that you did not expect? Why did you not expect it? What did you expect?
You are talking about discrediting when I told u multiple times now that I haven’t read u telling town that u went away.
You've said this many times. You said that to push that I am wolf and I am leaving because I want to avoid talking to you. Which is shading me. You weren't making a point "Oh are they wolf that's not able to respond?" you frame it in a way that this IS what is happening which generally I do not care about how those types of things actually affect the game, it's just insulting to me and makes me want to talk with you less and less. Which as we scum-read each other, that gap is just going to get stronger and stronger which again is not good if we're both Town.
You were aggressively at the start or it might be just our personality clash. I’m not sure but it is either of one. Well from my pov you were going away, lots of the times when I responded to you. It can be you being busy but it doesn’t deny the fact that u went away. Maybe I’m framing this way but usually in my experiences this is how mafia acts. Im not saying u are necessarily Mafia because of this but something I find it definitely important to point out. But if u told them before that u went away, then it is completely fine
Mel
That's not even referencing the part where you then lie about what you actually said and why.
I’m not, it is pointing out mafia behavior imo, but not def saying u are mafia if u think I’m saying that. But I’m not, maybe I’m not phrasing it in the best way possible but I’m not trying to say you are def mafia because u are going away when we argue
I am a more aggressive player when it comes to pushing people, as you were the forefront of my push that'd be what you're feeling from me. I'm often fairly busy, I post in between doing other things. I'm not sitting down and playing the game by itself for an extended period of time. It's choppy and I post wherever I can and whenever I want to. Nothing about my activity is at all worth discussing to sort my alignment, and using that feels like a cheap cut at me rather than actually putting effort into solving me. That's how it feels. If you're thinking this is how I act as mafia, perhaps asking people if they agree or not and why. Instead of falling deep into your own head canon about how mafia would act, or how I act as a player.
Todi37
I’m not, it is pointing out mafia behavior imo, but not def saying u are mafia if u think I’m saying that. But I’m not, maybe I’m not phrasing it in the best way possible but I’m not trying to say you are def mafia because u are going away when we argue
I think you're not understanding what I am calling out, which might be also my own inability to word it properly but it does not matter that much. It just felt insulting
Mel
I am a more aggressive player when it comes to pushing people, as you were the forefront of my push that'd be what you're feeling from me. I'm often fairly busy, I post in between doing other things. I'm not sitting down and playing the game by itself for an extended period of time. It's choppy and I post wherever I can and whenever I want to. Nothing about my activity is at all worth discussing to sort my alignment, and using that feels like a cheap cut at me rather than actually putting effort into solving me. That's how it feels. If you're thinking this is how I act as mafia, perhaps asking people if they agree or not and why. Instead of falling deep into your own head canon about how mafia would act, or how I act as a player.
I’m using my own experiences to apply it in this situation, like I said before I’m not saying you are mafia because of this but simply pointing it out. Perhaps I should have asked if they agree, but I wasn’t exactly in the mood of pushing anyone yesterday, I just put out my top mafia as a response to Sams question. I would have to agree that I’m falling too deep into my own head, but simply I trust myself more than others. I think this is all what we universally agree on. And if u think this causes my inability to discuss with you or be open to discuss about opinions and reads, then no it isn’t, because I was drained
Mel
I think you're not understanding what I am calling out, which might be also my own inability to word it properly but it does not matter that much. It just felt insulting
I would have to agree that I’m falling too deep into my own head, but simply I trust myself more than others.
Of course, I also trust myself more than others but I'd still like to properly bounce my thoughts off you and give you the freedom to do the same with me. You have a perspective that I do not have, I'd rather not waste that just because our personalities are clashing
Mel
I would have to agree that I’m falling too deep into my own head, but simply I trust myself more than others.
Of course, I also trust myself more than others but I'd still like to properly bounce my thoughts off you and give you the freedom to do the same with me. You have a perspective that I do not have, I'd rather not waste that just because our personalities are clashing
But I am open to discuss about opinions and reads, Im afraid that this is the way I talk when I was annoyed and/or when I don’t have really have strong points to point out. Or it is because I don’t articulate myself well enough. Whatever it is I’m not doing it on purpose
I am not saying you are not allowed to SR me, I do still SR you but I also acknowledge that it isn't confirmed until it's too late. If you're flipped (or myself) you lose that perspective completely so I still try and get your thoughts and I always expect people to treat me with that same dignity and respect.
10:46 a.m.
I hope I'm not wrong but I think we seem to be on the same page now?
10:48 a.m.
I'll be back soonish
Mel
I am not saying you are not allowed to SR me, I do still SR you but I also acknowledge that it isn't confirmed until it's too late. If you're flipped (or myself) you lose that perspective completely so I still try and get your thoughts and I always expect people to treat me with that same dignity and respect.
i dont know where i exactly insulted you, if u think I was lying to you and trying to direspect you, then i would have to tell you no i didnt. I think i understand where u are coming from, but i still cant exactly see where Im mafia, but this is probably the bias towards myself and that i know im town,
Mel
I hope I'm not wrong but I think we seem to be on the same page now?
I really discussed way too long with you, Robyn and bump. To put it simply im def drained by now, discussing with you and how u responded to me yesterday wasn’t something I would expect from you. You are talking about discrediting when I told u multiple times now that I haven’t read u telling town that u went away. I’m trying to stay calm here but the way you started this conversations just makes me not wanna care what u say, which is not something I want in a discussion especially in a social deduction game
so i'm extremely good at mafia, i shouldn't be doubted on a majority of my reads and i'm multiple steps ahead of everyone in usual circumstances
due to the difficulty of this game and the fact that there was no obvious mafia, and how everyone seems towny. i thought that 1 mafia in sam/mel was quite likely
well that's the reason why i didn't give out my reads but it seems consensus at this point. saying this earlier wouldn't have helped
so i'm extremely good at mafia, i shouldn't be doubted on a majority of my reads and i'm multiple steps ahead of everyone in usual circumstances
due to the difficulty of this game and the fact that there was no obvious mafia, and how everyone seems towny. i thought that 1 mafia in sam/mel was quite likely
well that's the reason why i didn't give out my reads but it seems consensus at this point. saying this earlier wouldn't have helped
so i'm extremely good at mafia, i shouldn't be doubted on a majority of my reads and i'm multiple steps ahead of everyone in usual circumstances
due to the difficulty of this game and the fact that there was no obvious mafia, and how everyone seems towny. i thought that 1 mafia in sam/mel was quite likely
well that's the reason why i didn't give out my reads but it seems consensus at this point. saying this earlier wouldn't have helped
so i'm extremely good at mafia, i shouldn't be doubted on a majority of my reads and i'm multiple steps ahead of everyone in usual circumstances
due to the difficulty of this game and the fact that there was no obvious mafia, and how everyone seems towny. i thought that 1 mafia in sam/mel was quite likely
well that's the reason why i didn't give out my reads but it seems consensus at this point. saying this earlier wouldn't have helped
i didn't wanna say it now, but it was worthwhile to articulate myself
i get no credit for anything except for being multiple steps ahead of most players here
i didn't wanna say it now, but it was worthwhile to articulate myself
i get no credit for anything except for being multiple steps ahead of most players here
i'm treating you like a human who is mason and is trying to fake it - i am treating you like i am actively telling you every bit of information you need and you are saying no
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1170726429399457822/1172358401574043679 - there is no way in absolute hell this is a genuine thought given their position in the Town, this is fabricated and is a cheap attempt to appeal to emotion. https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1170726429399457822/1171831383258300426 - This entire conversation I had with them had proven to me given some time to think after a second green flip is that they're leading with their own image as a priority rather than actively trying to find wolves, that paired with the fact that they are only pushing people that have stated a scum-read on them, minus random other names thrown here and there, and the fact they stopped their main push on me the moment I let off heat shows to me personally that their image and their control is more important than finding and picking off the wolves.
To counteract recency bias, I want to bring up the early game of which the entire conversation surrounding Robyn and myself on day one was about their lack of ability to understand our perspectives, and thus scum-read us both based off that. Robyn and I had perfectly synced up mindsets for the majority of the day and Todi was somehow "unable to see how we think" which is just their way of justifying us as wolf without needing to actually case us properly, and again back to my old point as soon as Robyn decided to lay off the heat towards Todi, Todi's reads started focusing more on me and bump.
Todi has shown that they do not retain the knowledge of the things he says, there's been repeated instances of him saying one thing, and then at a later date (when referring to what he said) says something contradictory. This is mainly towards his focus on me, as that's been one of his biggest pushes but he has attempted to discredit and shade me numerous times. One such time I responded to saying that if he simply read the game, he would know that I said I was going to sleep (as opposed to his claim of me being afk because I am scum and couldn't handle his weak push). When I naturally pushed back on this, because I do not accept shade as it's the shittiest thing to do, he claimed he was "just asking why I was afk" which is just unbelievably manipulative on his end because 1. It would mean his thought process was faked, and as a consequence he gets his own thoughts mixed up or 2. He just lied, knowing that he said what he said but didn't want to admit it. Either one leans into him being a wolf as his entire thought process this entire game was not that of a Townie, but one of a wolf. Pushing for the sake of pushing, disregarding everything that goes against what his beliefs are. Pushing those SRing him, backing off when those same people back off their SR on Todi, lying about their own statements OR not having enough genuine thoughts to be able to look back and remember how you thought in the past, stating cheap emotional manipulative lines to try and get cheap town points.
9:16 p.m.
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1170726429399457822/1171831649508524145 - The "idc if you lynch me" mentality is almost always put on for show, and Todi has already proven that their image is their main focus, which by far is the scummiest thing someone has done this game and at first I had thought it was a thing they did regardless, giving me reason to look elsewhere but realising now that no, this is wolfy. https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1170726429399457822/1172362827172954204 - Todi is out of the touch of the Town, which will happen in a large power Town game. They said this in the middle of a conversation that was just way out of left field about something that did not longer matter for the conversation, which is talking about Vorros flipping green after they already spoke about other things. Why would you go back to that except to say something contentful when you can't think of what you can add, therefore talking fluff.
Todi’s self votes as well is horrible paired with the fact it’s incredibly clear they’re doing things for their own image therefore the votes on themselves are an attempt to make themselves look less self preservistic and thus townie, which does the opposite considering again they’ve shown that their main and primary focus is that of their own image. Everything they are doing at all can be chalked up to their own image and I doubt anybody can convince me otherwise, it’s clear as day and I regret moving off my Townread, I think my ranking might tank from doing so but I’m back on it so should be fine
Yeah but the TWTBW argument did hold weight but it really doesn’t after the smallest amount of critical thinking, they’re wolfy and they got left alive for way longer than they should have. Vorros should not have been lynched over todi
I do want to discuss Todi if people are still not convinced but I would rather discuss who is their likely partner preferably. And considering Jun’s insistence on what’s scummy as being townie my eyes are leaning that way but Sam is always a wildcard.
I think it’s probably Sam and Todi then as Sam has the control over Town but I do not want to lynch Sam today. That’s speculation but we can definitely discuss it
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1170726429399457822/1172358401574043679 - there is no way in absolute hell this is a genuine thought given their position in the Town, this is fabricated and is a cheap attempt to appeal to emotion. https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1170726429399457822/1171831383258300426 - This entire conversation I had with them had proven to me given some time to think after a second green flip is that they're leading with their own image as a priority rather than actively trying to find wolves, that paired with the fact that they are only pushing people that have stated a scum-read on them, minus random other names thrown here and there, and the fact they stopped their main push on me the moment I let off heat shows to me personally that their image and their control is more important than finding and picking off the wolves.
To counteract recency bias, I want to bring up the early game of which the entire conversation surrounding Robyn and myself on day one was about their lack of ability to understand our perspectives, and thus scum-read us both based off that. Robyn and I had perfectly synced up mindsets for the majority of the day and Todi was somehow "unable to see how we think" which is just their way of justifying us as wolf without needing to actually case us properly, and again back to my old point as soon as Robyn decided to lay off the heat towards Todi, Todi's reads started focusing more on me and bump.
Todi has shown that they do not retain the knowledge of the things he says, there's been repeated instances of him saying one thing, and then at a later date (when referring to what he said) says something contradictory. This is mainly towards his focus on me, as that's been one of his biggest pushes but he has attempted to discredit and shade me numerous times. One such time I responded to saying that if he simply read the game, he would know that I said I was going to sleep (as opposed to his claim of me being afk because I am scum and couldn't handle his weak push). When I naturally pushed back on this, because I do not accept shade as it's the shittiest thing to do, he claimed he was "just asking why I was afk" which is just unbelievably manipulative on his end because 1. It would mean his thought process was faked, and as a consequence he gets his own thoughts mixed up or 2. He just lied, knowing that he said what he said but didn't want to admit it. Either one leans into him being a wolf as his entire thought process this entire game was not that of a Townie, but one of a wolf. Pushing for the sake of pushing, disregarding everything that goes against what his beliefs are. Pushing those SRing him, backing off when those same people back off their SR on Todi, lying about their own statements OR not having enough genuine thoughts to be able to look back and remember how you thought in the past, stating cheap emotional manipulative lines to try and get cheap town points.
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1170726429399457822/1172358401574043679 - there is no way in absolute hell this is a genuine thought given their position in the Town, this is fabricated and is a cheap attempt to appeal to emotion. https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1170726429399457822/1171831383258300426 - This entire conversation I had with them had proven to me given some time to think after a second green flip is that they're leading with their own image as a priority rather than actively trying to find wolves, that paired with the fact that they are only pushing people that have stated a scum-read on them, minus random other names thrown here and there, and the fact they stopped their main push on me the moment I let off heat shows to me personally that their image and their control is more important than finding and picking off the wolves.
To counteract recency bias, I want to bring up the early game of which the entire conversation surrounding Robyn and myself on day one was about their lack of ability to understand our perspectives, and thus scum-read us both based off that. Robyn and I had perfectly synced up mindsets for the majority of the day and Todi was somehow "unable to see how we think" which is just their way of justifying us as wolf without needing to actually case us properly, and again back to my old point as soon as Robyn decided to lay off the heat towards Todi, Todi's reads started focusing more on me and bump.
Todi has shown that they do not retain the knowledge of the things he says, there's been repeated instances of him saying one thing, and then at a later date (when referring to what he said) says something contradictory. This is mainly towards his focus on me, as that's been one of his biggest pushes but he has attempted to discredit and shade me numerous times. One such time I responded to saying that if he simply read the game, he would know that I said I was going to sleep (as opposed to his claim of me being afk because I am scum and couldn't handle his weak push). When I naturally pushed back on this, because I do not accept shade as it's the shittiest thing to do, he claimed he was "just asking why I was afk" which is just unbelievably manipulative on his end because 1. It would mean his thought process was faked, and as a consequence he gets his own thoughts mixed up or 2. He just lied, knowing that he said what he said but didn't want to admit it. Either one leans into him being a wolf as his entire thought process this entire game was not that of a Townie, but one of a wolf. Pushing for the sake of pushing, disregarding everything that goes against what his beliefs are. Pushing those SRing him, backing off when those same people back off their SR on Todi, lying about their own statements OR not having enough genuine thoughts to be able to look back and remember how you thought in the past, stating cheap emotional manipulative lines to try and get cheap town points.
If he’s wolf and if I have the kingmaker vote at all, Town loses. Jun and Sam aren’t wolves together, there’s no chance. I don’t actually see harm in voting now except the risk it has for wolves to pile on me but that’s negligible I don’t think you all are silly. This game has been filled with really good players
10:04 p.m.
I can also do this to prove more that it isn’t a setup like Jun thinks but that’s just a spicy lil bonus
If he’s wolf and if I have the kingmaker vote at all, Town loses. Jun and Sam aren’t wolves together, there’s no chance. I don’t actually see harm in voting now except the risk it has for wolves to pile on me but that’s negligible I don’t think you all are silly. This game has been filled with really good players
Gg it was me / juni lol easy game lol lol lol free win lol easy lol no diff lol destroyed lol owned lol get rekt omg free game @drugs (Juniper) gg ez ez gg lol w gg gg gg number one victory royale yeah fortnite we bout to get down
Gg it was me / juni lol easy game lol lol lol free win lol easy lol no diff lol destroyed lol owned lol get rekt omg free game @drugs (Juniper) gg ez ez gg lol w gg gg gg number one victory royale yeah fortnite we bout to get down
I think it’s NOT Mel/Sam and NOT Bump/Todi and NOT anything with me so rn I’m stuck with Bump/Mel Bump/Sam(??? Idts but I don’t feel comfy crossing it out) Mel/Todi and Sam/Todi
Bump/Mel
Pros: they’re covering for eachother a lot honestly
Cons: um like no distancing surely they’d be doing that right
Mel/Todi
Pros: Whole setup/bussing thing
Cons: SvS is a moment and Mel has been pushing for a while
Sam/Todi
Pros: Not a lot but it’s also Sam so that’s a pro in itself hes just too good (it just sort of makes sense in my mind honestly I may have to read their interactions again), but they feel rlly well distanced but not impossible ngl idk it’s so hard to tell
Cons: L-1 thing + Todi being weird about Sam TR
People need to learn to
1. play not super aggro on the wrong people @Todi37
2. not speed hammer when not everyone is here
3. not SR me for the entire game
Sam makes me foam at the mouth
Straight up feral
He’s just so disrespectful
I legitimately don't want to play another game here because the player base is extremely toxic
Thankfully I think I’m dead tonight
Robyn above both me and Sam? Why? Their reads weren’t even that accurate all things considered they were just loud. They were good but definitely not above Sam
Robyn above both me and Sam? Why? Their reads weren’t even that accurate all things considered they were just loud. They were good but definitely not above Sam
nah i realized that there was one in sam/mel (ideally sam)
and i planned on living d2, had i pushed into them and been wrong it would've made d3 a fuckfest where the wrong one of them is pushed. so i didn't and relied on getting the partner d2-3 and d4 being when sam/mel would be resolved
8:18 p.m.
i played very sub-optimally in this rand, partly because it was a loss under this rand and that i thought mel was very towny